[English] Episode 10 - Mindsets - D-Soul and Davia

00:00:00: What's up, what's up?

00:00:01: We are finally after forever back with a new episode of the Tie Together podcast.

00:00:07: I've been trying to edit a lot of stuff but... The computer gods didn't want to listen to me.

00:00:14: files got corrupted.

00:00:15: so now we're just back with new episodes.

00:00:17: it's whatever.

00:00:18: My name is Volt.

00:00:19: super happy to have two guests With me here today!

00:00:22: We got Davia representing tie together But she was gonna introduce herself.

00:00:28: and the second person that we have here today all the way from Los Angeles is D-Soul.

00:00:35: Yo, what up?

00:00:35: Y'all was crying!

00:00:37: So

00:00:38: I... We're just gonna ask some questions first Just to introduce two of them.

00:00:44: Let's start with D-soul.

00:00:46: Who are you?

00:00:46: What are doing?

00:00:47: You know?

00:00:48: why are you here?

00:00:51: That's a big question.

00:00:53: Why am i here at this point?

00:00:57: Yeah, my name is Dee Sol.

00:00:59: I'm from Los Angeles and have been dancing for about seventeen years Really?

00:01:03: The reason why i am here...I just keep following curiosity.

00:01:07: It never stops with this movement that we do This dance That We Do.

00:01:12: There's always something new to discover And I think thats whats kept me in dance so long.

00:01:17: Is that.. I just never felt like there was an end To the bag of discovery.

00:01:24: So Waving brought you here.

00:01:27: That too, yeah.

00:01:30: I do wave and wiggle a bit.

00:01:32: Yeah

00:01:33: You do wiggle around.

00:01:35: He's just being humble right now because he has been teaching workshop with us Always super dope to have him here.

00:01:41: It was already the second time we had him here And it is probably not going be last time.

00:01:47: Dude did way more than okay during workshops.

00:01:50: so We are really happy about knowledge.

00:01:54: Davia, who are you?

00:01:55: What are YOU

00:01:55: doing?!

00:01:56: Hello everybody!

00:01:57: My name is Davia and I've been dancing for six years now.

00:02:00: Been learning from both...from the beginning.

00:02:03: I'm here to just keep growing basically because like these all said there's never an end to grow or learn more especially in this style & dance.

00:02:13: And yeah.. What's that meaning behind the word DAVIA?

00:02:17: That not your real name.

00:02:19: so what does it mean?

00:02:20: That's ill let go.

00:02:22: I'm super proud of this name actually, because i've got it from both.

00:02:26: Quite at the beginning for my journey... ...I think I have been dancing for a year and started to dance during the pandemic in the late twenty-twenty And taken two personal classes with you before the shutdown went off.

00:02:45: It was just straight raw dogging online class once per week.

00:02:50: And after the pandemic, you took me to my first battles.

00:02:53: To my first jams...to my first cyphers and it was such an overwhelming experience for me because I was quite insecure in the beginning and i was crying and shitting my pants.

00:03:06: but everything that pulled

00:03:07: through!

00:03:08: And Davia is just a connection of David vs Goljaf and Goljav was supposed to represent all challenges.

00:03:18: Yeah, that's how I got my name.

00:03:21: Girl was pulling through bro.

00:03:23: So yeah That's the intro!

00:03:26: Thats who two of you are.

00:03:29: You already started like from a name talking about mindsets And i think talking about mind sets Always super interesting thing to talk with these soul also.

00:03:37: We talked about this alot whenever we hang.

00:03:41: So Dissol what do you think?

00:03:43: are the most important mindsets that you're carrying at this moment in time.

00:03:51: Important?

00:03:52: Like let's say as a performer, as a dancer I mean there is often different environments right but i feel like what part of the palette where your'e?

00:04:02: always in my ideologies for movement or dance?

00:04:07: yeah more recently That clicked for me was that I am not the aesthetic, i'm not what I look like.

00:04:23: I shouldn't care necessarily about my dance looks to people and should be focused more on how it feels as a do-it.

00:04:34: For me this is big change in sense of being hypercritical And it's good to have that component, to reflect on and study your aesthetic because you're trying to communicate.

00:04:49: You're trying be heard.

00:04:52: You are trying bridge the gap from the internal world to external...to audience.

00:04:59: At end of day though like I just realized i may never a fan my own movement in that..you need continuously show up Whatever it is that you're working on or whatever.

00:05:14: You're feeling so.

00:05:16: Yeah, you can dance and not love your shit.

00:05:22: That's a crazy statement And I feel like there's also really honest.

00:05:26: i Feel Like There'S Also A Thing That Many Many Beginners Struggle With Right?

00:05:31: Like Asking Yourself The Question Am I Ever Gonna Like My Stuff?

00:05:35: Then Here You Are Seventeen Years Into the Game And You'Re Like.

00:05:39: I Still Don't Always Like it.

00:05:41: So how do you feel about that one, Davia?

00:05:44: I agree.

00:05:47: Now this year especially i've been working a lot on like the mantras and mindsets because It has been something That was holding me back Especially judging myself And comparing myself with other people Because The people around Me their level is so high and having that as

00:06:10: Standard

00:06:11: as your standard.

00:06:11: Yeah, yeah As you're standard is Frightening on one side but also pushing because you want to get on that level as well.

00:06:20: And this year I have been working with being fine With not liking my stuff and just realizing everybody has been where i've been right now in its journey.

00:06:30: So for y'all what is the?

00:06:33: How do you give yourself feedback?

00:06:35: where?

00:06:35: You can maybe not like the look of something, but what allows you to keep reaching for more

00:06:43: For me.

00:06:44: I had this really interesting experience that i went through at The beginning of the year So...I was dancing a lot To be more on the holistic side Of dance.

00:06:56: so..i Was asking myself questions such as okay What-what Do I have to move Like to Be A waiver and to be culturally respectful of the style.

00:07:07: But at the same time, how do I bring my own vision?

00:07:10: My own wishes for this style... ...my own character so-to speak.

00:07:17: turning away from a mirror you know i just moved And.. Just y'know Time To Be In My Own Head in My Own Fields ..In My Own Body Then Move How My Body Told Me To Move.

00:07:31: And when I was looking at my stuff like two months later, actually i liked my movement less than it did before.

00:07:38: So I had to ask myself the question What Was It That I Did Not Like?

00:07:42: At that point in time?

00:07:43: and basically The Things That Made My Waving Distinctive From Clean-Ass Waving.

00:07:51: You Know what I mean?

00:07:54: For this process...I Liked My Movement Less Because it didn't align so well with what I wanted from waving, not for myself but from waving.

00:08:03: So i had to go through this process where was fine with moving in a way that felt good... ...but is not aesthetically pleasing me when looking at it.. ..so took another like three four months and suddenly At some point the the weight shifted more towards a, oh nice.

00:08:26: So now there is a system of me moving in my own behaviors and this kind made it more rounded.

00:08:35: so I had to accept that... To be myself i have to move away from the standard which feels really weird especially if you try clean up your stuff for like long amount of time.

00:08:50: yeah There's a judgment aspect that is always there and so for you like You drifted from what she thought was clean or maybe What people?

00:09:07: Thought was clean.

00:09:09: How do you feel when people are judging you based off of your aesthetic?

00:09:13: Depends, right.

00:09:17: So it depends on the energy behind that.

00:09:19: if people just don't Like it or do not want to engage with that's fine for me because I'm producing Or creating For my own visions now, for other people and i think thats really important cause.

00:09:30: there is a lot of dancers out There That Think they Do stuff for themselves but actually the mindset or their mindsets lead To pleasing The needs that Other People are forcing upon them.

00:09:48: especially as someone who's really dedicated to creating and leading, also a scene in many regards.

00:09:57: I feel like i want to be role model for what waving can be like.

00:10:01: so i still wanted it to be readable... ...and i want people to understand okay that's waving.. ..and that makes sense!

00:10:08: It is the dance that was called Waving....I see waves there.

00:10:11: on the other hand ,i feel like its such a crucial part of the process To kind of break away from other people's opinion Because it just restricts you so much in your dance.

00:10:25: Yeah,

00:10:26: yeah I mean II'd love to hear.

00:10:28: how is it for you like?

00:10:30: You've been learning for me For like six years right Davia?

00:10:34: How did this process of okay?

00:10:37: I'm being taught what waving is like and what it supposed to be But then also like being guided in your own journey.

00:10:45: How was that for you?

00:10:47: You know because there's stuff where you get feedback for.

00:10:50: okay, this is what you should do if you want to become a waiver or If you want be waver and There are things that you're supposed to do it when you want.

00:10:58: To Be closer to yourself right?

00:11:01: I'm not only ask Davi i'm gonna Ask That to both of you actually.

00:11:04: so What Do you guys think?

00:11:08: yeah, I mean It's just kind Of This Similar to Not Being So Concerned with Aesthetics.

00:11:18: It's a weird thing because if we think of dance as the language and we think about aesthetic it is like, We are trying to have effective communication.

00:11:27: And so that why I also liked what you guys were doing here was that Language exists in communities right?

00:11:37: So who surround yourself with the values that your curate determines?

00:11:44: how the languages spoken how you communicate with others is really what the movement is all about.

00:11:53: It's about connection, it's about sharing stories and so I mean for me um there's definitely...it's giving respect to the process given respect to The person beyond the dance.

00:12:08: So the process comes in waves.

00:12:10: It-It's like There are times where your just being really abstract and creative, just going off the deep end of letting things flow.

00:12:21: The word is somatic really embodying where that sound hitting my body energetically moving it reacting to those spontaneous moments not trying filter through maybe traditional movement.

00:12:42: for me its like Going off the deep end and then raining it back in Seeing what's effective seeing?

00:12:48: What people resonate with?

00:12:51: because if I'm just dancing, and I'm Dancing like I'm by myself or doing movement that may not connect with anybody And that's why I'm dancing.

00:13:02: It's I don't.

00:13:03: I didn't dance to be alone You know.

00:13:07: So there are some aspects of waving than I don't really do in front of people.

00:13:12: Every morning, I wake up and go wave at the park real subtle gentle Tai Chi-esque but that's not performative to me right?

00:13:23: It is this mentality that i've kind of curated around my style But usually it doesn't show that aspect because when im dancing with people there a balance between them it's going in and then sharing out.

00:13:42: That is a nice point, I would love to directly go on that one but Davia still has the answer of your original question so let us be patient with this one!

00:13:54: It was really good because that is exactly what i have been trying to reach right now also this year especially for my experiences as a holistic person And I'm struggling with letting myself shine and dancing honestly to how i am feeling the music because When I started dancing, I was looking for a lot of validation from outside Because I just wanted to prove myself that I can't do this.

00:14:26: What you have taught me like You are my teacher vote!

00:14:29: And I've huge respect for you... ...and I just want it To make you proud With everything That you Have given Me.

00:14:38: But It has carried me a lot through the years, but I've reached to point now that it where it's holding you back and i've started Getting patterns just to get validation from outside.

00:14:51: And now I have to break those patterns and just be myself Get that balance Be right back crying in a minute.

00:14:58: You know

00:14:59: The validation is uh is a tricky one?

00:15:02: Yeah Because There there is a small validation that you will always need to be heard, right?

00:15:12: Like just I heard you as it's a Validation that we're actually speaking to each other

00:15:18: and people are always.

00:15:19: People are always like no.

00:15:20: I'm not dancing for a validation And I'm doing in.

00:15:23: I feel like this.

00:15:24: This was the mindset that people throw around so easily like okay No You shouldn't care about other people.

00:15:30: i mean art is there to be consumed and shared in some type of way.

00:15:34: And it's made to maybe not necessarily polarized, but you know people can have their taste... ...and should be able do what they got into dance for!

00:15:50: I feel like with this mindset its really just restrictive right?

00:16:00: Like in psychology or something.

00:16:01: you have reflective listening, right?

00:16:03: like just mirror back what somebody said to you.

00:16:06: Right they go off on a tangent.

00:16:09: They they're venting and there telling you all about their life And then You know like in relationships ago.

00:16:15: So when I'm hearing you say is and you reflect it back to them and that's something that i think Is missed a lot In traditional street dance communities Just because We're like, yo I can't hear you man.

00:16:31: That shit wasn't this or that it didn't fit the box...that's not where we are from and what we represent.

00:16:41: so then you feel a little bit discontent and unvalidated right?

00:16:47: Like your'e not speaking they're not hearing you.

00:16:54: So then, you always get sucked into that kind of value system and that's where the communal aspect comes in.

00:17:00: so even when we talk about stylistically flavor-wise You go like oh you going to Montreal?

00:17:05: And it got a certain flavor to their pop or Like...you go to LA.

00:17:10: They've got this certain flavor Bay Area.

00:17:15: That is really because those communities valued specific gestures posturally uh, socially.

00:17:25: Like why does LA have a hard hit?

00:17:27: Well because that's what they valued.

00:17:30: it was like dancing is like to a lot of hood people.

00:17:35: I've been working in the prison system lately and To hood people as feminine right like maybe not back in the day But now are.

00:17:44: even in some communities It's looked at as a feminine thing.

00:17:47: you're dancer You know like that's not hard.

00:17:50: so when you dance in LA, You gotta make up for the fact that your a dancer by hitting hard.

00:17:56: Right?

00:17:56: But it's also musical too right like certain music and the hard hit matches but The way they're doing is a type of peacocking.

00:18:06: I feel so many interesting things now i don't even know where to start.

00:18:10: So first off all When we go back to mindsets It's...I think A lot people for a long time in their journey, in dance or in art.

00:18:22: Me included thought okay one mindset is gonna get me everywhere or anywhere I want to and then i realized that for different environments culturally or economically maybe sometimes also right?

00:18:37: I need different things.

00:18:39: there are so many differences that derive from those aspects like let's start culturally.

00:18:44: what you've just been talking about growth in the European waving scene and it's super dope to see that.

00:18:52: We just did diving in tides roughly like a month ago, we had one hundred six waivers in pre-selection right?

00:19:02: That is huge!

00:19:07: Of course this also sparks discussion of okay... Is there now an european type of waving versus so called American type.

00:19:19: There is so much cultural difference between Europe

00:19:23: and

00:19:24: for example, America or the West Coast where this dance has come from.

00:19:28: And I feel like it's hard to kind of keep that same aesthetic when so many things just surround us here in Europe are completely different.

00:19:36: It starts with a discussion about why you guys dancing without shoes because yeah... Here in Germany For example, or here in Europe we have many institutions that don't want street shoes on the inside of their rooms.

00:19:51: So it's not a choice That comes from an aesthetic It comes just from institutions telling us to do that.

00:19:59: Then also you have different fields working.

00:20:02: You're working as performer at many festivals But then your are super famous for being dope ass teacher Dope-ass battle dancer and I feel like all these environments want different things from you.

00:20:18: And assuming that one mindset is going to get you where you wanna be in all of this fields, it's kind delusional right?

00:20:25: But then somehow we think there are ways to achieve them.

00:20:30: Yeah with the European waving thing for me... The biggest thing i reflect on a lot.

00:20:43: A lot of people use these words interchangeably and obviously we're speaking.

00:20:48: You guys have different languages that you speak, right?

00:20:51: Like German but when your talking about... It's damned if you do, damned if don't.

00:21:00: But tradition is not culture.

00:21:03: Those two words aren't the same thing.

00:21:06: So for me Tradition is what happened.

00:21:14: Culture is what?

00:21:15: Is so?

00:21:17: you can talk about preserving tradition.

00:21:20: You don't preserve culture.

00:21:21: Culture is whatever it is in that moment.

00:21:25: It could be bad, it can Be good and it can be wacky can beat Whatever you want to call it And you could be upset with it.

00:21:31: It's not as traditional As you would like it the bee.

00:21:34: but if somethings evolving and your trying to stifle evolution or culture Um See damned if you do damned.

00:21:47: If you don't is what I mean.

00:21:48: Is that?

00:21:49: If, if you didn't change at all You would be appropriating Culture?

00:21:55: yeah That's so true

00:21:56: right but if-if you Do something different you're not traditional.

00:22:01: So you're always gonna have some resistance regardless.

00:22:05: There's always going to Be something said.

00:22:07: it's out the end of The day just got to be.

00:22:10: uh...you know Why are you moving?

00:22:14: now?

00:22:15: the question is when especially?

00:22:17: When I'm at these festivals too, right?

00:22:20: I'm not policing that dance floor You know.

00:22:23: I see these hippies hopping about you know like having The best times of their life and i'm not.

00:22:28: i'm Not sitting there going a yo.

00:22:30: put some style on that.

00:22:32: you got to be A little more traditional Like no dance in its raw form Is meant To express and have fun.

00:22:41: So then when you start to spread the dance, there is some responsibility that comes with that.

00:22:51: And I think if you are in this scene and you're trying to build communities it's always important to have the knowledge of where things come from.

00:23:05: You know?

00:23:06: That's just a beautiful story you should embody.

00:23:08: It's not something...I don't know It's not, it shouldn't be gatekeeping in my opinion.

00:23:16: All of this is my opinion at the end of day and people might not like it.

00:23:21: but if you have for me... This is a mentality that I have to approach things with to stay thriving In My Love For Dance.

00:23:33: If i start to feel stifled or feel resistance Of People Saying Don't Do That You Can't You're not allowed.

00:23:42: I'm like, i started street dancing because it was rebellious.

00:23:45: What are you talking about?

00:23:46: Like now there's rules all of a sudden...like imma rebel motherfucker!

00:23:51: Like don't..I grew up skateboarding and I was breaking laws from the time when I was six.

00:23:57: Now your telling me that theres street dance rules?

00:23:59: I think thats hilarious.

00:24:01: All of us together in this fact is so small and niche.

00:24:06: We speak this language from a small ass country, and we're trying to create division.

00:24:10: It's like just sit down at the table.

00:24:13: anybody can move however they want to move.

00:24:16: you can't change tradition You can't it.

00:24:19: what happened already happen

00:24:22: I think with within a lot of these discussions people also kind mistake cultural as well as traditional responsibility Right?

00:24:31: Because there's, of course the whole aspect of black and latino culture that if you're not... Yeah.

00:24:39: Of- Not of THAT heritage That YOU'RE a guest OF THE CULTURE And thats how your supposed to behave.

00:24:44: And I get that!

00:24:45: And i one hundred percent enforce that thought.

00:24:48: However..I also feel like now it is everywhere Things are gonna develop their own momentum their own dynamic.

00:24:56: And I feel like that's also the beauty of it, right?

00:24:58: Because we always demonize this let say gray space in between.

00:25:02: okay so its a culture of youth.

00:25:04: So things have to keep moving.

00:25:06: but then at the same time there is this traditional aspect.

00:25:09: i think people demonized That alot when they're When thats actually the space where things get interesting.

00:25:16: Right because if somebody hits that spot you look someone inner cypher and One hundred percent understand the language.

00:25:24: Oh, that's a waiver.

00:25:25: But then somehow like uh different puzzle piece comes in and around maybe gets Different character or there is like you know?

00:25:34: Different different new things that are being brought to the table.

00:25:37: That's when you're like oh that's fresh I see it.

00:25:39: that may be from somewhere else.

00:25:40: Or this is A flip of waving scripture.

00:25:44: And i feel Like This Is Where Creative Work Also, labbing for example in your own dance.

00:25:51: This is where it becomes fun.

00:25:53: So when you're constantly hearing these voices telling you to not explore and this type of way?

00:26:00: This is when people start to get really up In their minds And they don't know what to do.

00:26:06: because first humble let's take a look at battles.

00:26:09: in the battle Most of the time People are asking For creativity.

00:26:14: A lot of judges are asking for creativity but then again Often leave out in their explanation not end up judging that there also needs to be a foundation That you can flip and twist so you can't be creative.

00:26:27: In the first place, right?

00:26:29: And I feel like really taking this thought apart.

00:26:35: The process of bullying yourself for certain environment gets way easier if you if you're asking For what does this environment ask of me and how free can I be in this environment, right?

00:26:49: Of course i could go to a battle let's say waving battle.

00:26:53: And that might mean breaking away too far... This depends on the way you apply it but just bear with for second.

00:27:04: You break away from the thing being asked about which is a wave flow or illusion of waves that flows from A-B outside inside your body.

00:27:15: So I feel like taking that apart super interesting and super effective to get yourself to a different place in your level or on your journey.

00:27:24: I feel breaking apart makes it more accessible, to thrive.

00:27:31: What is foundation right?

00:27:33: So foundation... Foundation isn't an interesting topic.

00:27:40: I feel like man, turn these mics off because people are going to get all ruffled about this sort of stuff.

00:27:45: But that's the world we live in you know?

00:27:48: That is what

00:27:48: your here for bro!

00:27:50: We're bringing different peoples with different opinions right?

00:27:53: For me though foundation brings up another word pattern.

00:28:04: so there a recognizable pattern which becomes foundational.

00:28:09: these people from this era understand.

00:28:13: This as something that was consistent of the time, it was a pattern that people used to speak.

00:28:20: It's a foundation in which they built other things upon right?

00:28:25: So when you talk about foundation um... You have to go back to the time and the people And how they created.

00:28:40: So this art form was created by kids in the seventies.

00:28:46: By kids You think they cared about.

00:28:49: what foundation?

00:28:49: Was?

00:28:51: They didn't care.

00:28:52: there is no Foundation before them.

00:28:55: The foundation was Created because of tradition and so the foundation of it for me his imagination.

00:29:03: You're talking about kids that had imagination and they were mimicking the things in their environment.

00:29:08: They weren't mimicking.

00:29:09: sounds, like where does the pop come from?

00:29:13: It's debatable right but there is a lot of influences that created texture But it fit perfectly with funk And people at the time.

00:29:23: So when it comes to word guess That loaded word man I've been called by only maybe never actually.

00:29:35: It's something that most people feel when people talk about it, but they rarely call someone a guest.

00:29:41: so this is how I've broken and down in a lot of ways.

00:29:45: is that say you move to another country... You're an immigrant right?

00:29:54: And if your there for certain amount time like i'm just tourist thats different than emigrant.

00:30:04: So you could be a cultural tourist, that's somebody who invites.

00:30:07: the battle on me.

00:30:08: They shot YouTube video and they come over in like wow this is so cool!

00:30:11: That's awesome.

00:30:12: Be a tourist You're welcome.

00:30:15: Now if your talking about a guest or someone you invite to stay Do their thing.

00:30:20: but then there are levels too.

00:30:24: I don't think these words have anything do When i think of myself personally as a cultural immigrant.

00:30:35: So I chose where i wanted to live, but even though i'm from LA that wasn't what my parents didn't pop.

00:30:45: so the...I was immersed into it.

00:30:49: there's so many cultures in LA.

00:30:51: everything is here you know?

00:30:53: But I chose this one!

00:30:55: Then I was a tourist and then I was like a guest for a long time, I've been there seventeen years now.

00:31:04: I speak the language...I'm not citizen right?

00:31:09: I applied for citizenship and it was accepted!

00:31:13: I earned that you know.

00:31:14: so..there's something that has to be earned.

00:31:19: If i do this same thing with say vietnam- I learned the language ,i learn history .I lived here for a longer period of time.

00:31:26: get my citizenship....I'll never be ethnically Vietnamese But I'm a citizen of Vietnam.

00:31:36: Just as metaphor shout out to Vietnam, i love y'all.

00:31:41: Shoutout to mtpop

00:31:43: All those guys out there.

00:31:45: man don't get me started on that deal.

00:31:49: So was there point in time where you felt like okay now?

00:31:53: I arrived and Maybe what was the thing that made you feel Like You did

00:31:58: Arrived like uh...I

00:32:00: mean The switch from being a guest to be an immigrant.

00:32:07: Oh, I see No, I never thought about it.

00:32:13: These are my people You know

00:32:15: what?

00:32:16: I swear to God!

00:32:18: I just asked because i felt like It didn't feel that way for me.

00:32:21: neither you know Like...I was.. I don't know Way into the scene like eight years or something and then somebody said yeah A Guest of the Culture Yeah, okay that person is right but when I'm what am i supposed to do with it now?

00:32:35: yeah.

00:32:36: I mean I'm still a guest in some ways and some aspects for sure.

00:32:39: you know there's always.

00:32:41: There's always things to learn.

00:32:42: there's Always Things to immerse yourself more in And being a guest does not don't say like It's A bad Thing Like People say,

00:32:50: yeah for sure because people take it as something so negative.

00:32:53: You know be happy

00:32:54: to be a guest.

00:32:54: I'm happy To Be A Guest like thank you For Having Me and Really Appreciate It you Know Yeah?

00:33:00: This Is Just a Matter of fact.

00:33:03: you know Like You Have to Think.

00:33:05: Most People think About it in Location wise or Skin Color Wise Which is this Own Topic Of Conversation but that That really doesn't have anything to do with a cultural element because there's people of all different ethnicities that don't belong to the culture.

00:33:26: Even if you say it is black and Latino culture, There are Blacks who even know what poppin' is!

00:33:36: Yeah I think in this regard It's more about Who has built The House?

00:33:41: Oh yeah...there was no debate on

00:33:43: that.

00:33:45: Like, I mean there's no debate in some of those aspects.

00:33:53: You know history doesn't stop in nineteen seventy-three.

00:33:57: Nineteen sixty nine like.

00:34:00: it doesn't just stop there.

00:34:03: History is all the time that has from the beginning a time until now its history.

00:34:10: what happened?

00:34:11: That was history constantly passing.

00:34:14: So when you think about the things that made this dance possible, it doesn't start in nineteen seventy.

00:34:21: but That was the bro.

00:34:23: probably I'd think about that time and those people from those neighborhoods In that community.

00:34:30: i'm like This will never ever happen again in history.

00:34:34: they discovered human texture.

00:34:35: bro.

00:34:37: It's fucking Like The way Cultures and communities put this movement together.

00:34:44: Yeah, that's crazy.

00:34:45: the evolution of dance And mechanical like and just illusion to sound This is by far The most important period in his like condensed into a small

00:34:56: and was crazy about it.

00:34:57: you said that yesterday also.

00:34:59: You said wait let me Let me Use.

00:35:06: he used had like.

00:35:06: yeah That was pre-internet.

00:35:08: so for example if you wanted to go from the bay to Los Angeles, that was like what seven hours.

00:35:15: So for these things to happen organically at the same time in several places people getting together you know then somehow spreading that it's a freaking miracle right?

00:35:27: You think about...you have to think about.

00:35:30: the evolution of technology.

00:35:32: is what made it possible.

00:35:34: why the seventies?

00:35:36: well TV movies Like the ability to manufacture and produce movies.

00:35:45: And get them across like cable television, I mean all these things.

00:35:51: that camera technology everything is what.

00:35:55: why didn't this happen in eighteen seventy?

00:35:59: They couldn't.

00:35:59: there's no possible way because one they you know who's gonna be dancing when he got a fight for food.

00:36:08: You're fighting like you know, there's civil wars going on and there's all types of stuff.

00:36:13: Like industrial revolution... All this stuff had to happen right?

00:36:17: But even if you talk about movement wise he can talk about the ancient history of waving The Ancient History Of Geometric Shapes And Movement.

00:36:28: I posted a couple clips On my YouTube with like um.. Like the earliest filmed Stuff Which is When did film?

00:36:37: when was video created?

00:36:40: I don't quote me on this but early nineteen hundreds, right and That's one you see.

00:36:44: these earliest clips of.

00:36:47: You might have like photos that are chained together in the eighteen hundred or something But nineteen hundred will.

00:36:52: who popped up then Charlie Chaplin.

00:36:54: Mm-hmm.

00:36:55: You know Charlie Chaplain, you know Like early he started off as a kid in the early nineteen hundred is nineteen twenties all this sort stuff.

00:37:04: And this is the first Time we're getting mime filmed, right?

00:37:09: And so the evolution of that and that inspiration going across The board like I posted a clip.

00:37:17: I think it was like not

00:37:18: also TV Not having sound for long longer

00:37:21: amount of time.

00:37:22: Oh totally yeah.

00:37:23: So is just visual all right, so you had silent films too so they had to be more Articulate with their bodies Like I posted at a clip of Charlie Chaplin.

00:37:30: like nineteen twenty one He's doing animatronics because he's trying to get away from the cops on the boat and he like pretends to blend in with other animatronics.

00:37:39: He's doing mechanical movement, you don't think kids and everybody was doing that at that time?

00:37:44: Well there were no cameras besides Hollywood to document it.

00:37:49: And then also leave alone all these tribes dancing some forest around a fire.

00:37:58: Forgotten history.

00:37:59: Tribal music.

00:37:59: yes I feel its really important.

00:38:03: put a context, right?

00:38:04: That's why I'm saying you build the house but that house is also standing on a certain street.

00:38:11: Yeah Right and in a city like keep going with this forever-and-forever because we um...I don't know who was it.

00:38:21: Who was i talking to ?

00:38:23: I Don't Know If It Was Ush.

00:38:24: Shout Out To Ush My Bro From New Zealand.

00:38:28: He'S Living In Australia Now.

00:38:30: I think The wave in itself is just the most base information.

00:38:39: In music and dance that we have, like the wave frequency everything which it's why you can find it so many cultures

00:38:46: right?

00:38:46: Yeah he abstract.

00:38:48: I mean this isn't really not even abstract It's concrete Like its foundation of our reality waves how things, frequencies however thing travels.

00:39:03: I mean you could get really abstract about it like solids aren't solids there's space between particles all this sort of stuff.

00:39:11: but yeah i think from the beginning at time and i got heat for this at one point just its part of our survival tactics being a human is to mimic our environment.

00:39:25: We mimic our parents, we mimic the things around us to survive.

00:39:30: To grow up, to mature.

00:39:32: and so you have that built into your DNA.

00:39:36: And then of course when you're trying to have rituals or you're communicating like maybe You're just making fun of something Like people are imitating birds Or whatever Tribal dances and stuff Yeah!

00:39:51: What history Are ingrained into our bodies that maybe are DNA somehow kind of remembers.

00:40:00: That's possible too But also like what?

00:40:04: What histories are preserved throughout time which people survive, which people were colonized or killed?

00:40:10: it's just.

00:40:11: I don't think the topic a discussion Like when you talk about history should stop anywhere.

00:40:16: It should all be contextualized yeah but People might feel like that's taken away from their own history, but in actualities.

00:40:28: I think it's honoring it more.

00:40:30: how special It is you know

00:40:32: yeah.

00:40:32: so I agree

00:40:33: Yeah everybody has a little like You Know space to be remembered you know.

00:40:41: But a lot of times we're just having Like this This feeling of like i'm gonna Be forgotten.

00:40:49: That's like even if you talk about people billionaires, what do they want to do?

00:40:53: Most of them just wanna be remembered.

00:40:56: Like I wanna build something that lasts beyond my life because at the end of day we're all gonna die.

00:41:06: Existential pocket.

00:41:08: Existential pocket is dude!

00:41:10: Okay so let me break away... You said again lots interesting things but now i wanna ask So Of course your from LA And this means that you have a lot of geographical, but also chronological information about the dance.

00:41:28: Are there some things that you notice when you look at our European scene?

00:41:32: That are like... Talking about waving.

00:41:35: Things that are fundamentally different maybe in the approach and how do feel about those if they're any?

00:41:44: Yeah I mean i still have alot people places to see as far, you know even within the style of waving.

00:41:52: but The approach hmm You know there is.

00:41:57: There's some aspect Where?

00:42:01: Uh, the energy is seeking validation.

00:42:05: So that happens sometimes.

00:42:09: Which?

00:42:09: so you see this here in Europe That that some waivers are trying to move like waivers America.

00:42:14: no No not that it can work both ways.

00:42:19: They can work like, oh you know people looking like they're from the west coast.

00:42:24: You know?

00:42:24: Like I'm like damn y'all more West Coast than me out here!

00:42:28: Like you guys got dickied up and just it's crazy.

00:42:33: i'm like we bought those because they sold them at the corner store never cheap.

00:42:38: but now people...it's a costume It's like a uniform

00:42:42: Because

00:42:44: they identified with something.

00:42:48: But yeah, when it comes to validation I think there's an aspect of people trying look like that.

00:42:55: There are also people who have the resistance where they're not going to be like me but still in conversation with the validation their seeking some people go another way and prove this is valid versus just trying fit-in.

00:43:17: And so I see it happening in both ways where an LA there's still.

00:43:22: that too, you know but It's There's a different energy about it.

00:43:27: Where are the differences and energy?

00:43:31: Well one is that like I love coming out and getting down with you guys because just like The openness to You feel you feel heard, you're accepted you can be weird You can be as weird as you want.

00:43:45: That's not something that I came up around in LA If you were weird, look at just for example and like.

00:43:53: i don't like the name drop but A lot of people were ostracized For being weird In this street dance world in LA.

00:44:01: So many People And they were The best people and They quit because they Were ostracised Because they weren't popping like um.

00:44:11: and then the weird thing is if these people keep going most of a time they're being celebrated for being different.

00:44:17: yeah become

00:44:18: legends.

00:44:19: Yeah, I mean elsewhere's a perfect example to that too.

00:44:23: oh yeah what.

00:44:25: uh what a legend right?

00:44:27: still... If you go watch the documentary detours it's just insane!

00:44:34: To this day that shit stills crazy Like to me, I go back and i'll travel.

00:44:39: And people never heard of this thing you know in Latin America or whatever?

00:44:43: And i'm just like watch this.

00:44:45: it will change your mind about some things.

00:44:48: if you're feeling a little bit on the fringe of something Watch that one!

00:44:53: And elsewhere was not a popper To People but Was using all these popping Things.

00:45:02: So who's winning The War?

00:45:06: who's telling the narrative.

00:45:08: And when you talk about foundation, a lot of times it has to do with money and so you're trying to codify something so that you can pin it down and charge money for workshops to do it the right way in preserved tradition.

00:45:27: but there is a toll on that bridge.

00:45:32: Yeah exactly!

00:45:33: There was this field of friction being created.

00:45:37: But then again, I feel like this is something that i'm really happy about when it comes to Davia for example because you and me we're not necessarily the exact generation.

00:45:53: You are older than me And obviously different people right?

00:45:57: You've been around DOG's but going through a similar process.

00:46:05: I was going through a similar process because here i was also.

00:46:09: Trying to you know build popping and grow as the poppin dancer, grows an artist growth with it?

00:46:18: And there is lot of resistance that i faced in this scene at that time... It's because of topics such these like traditional enough You know recognizable enough.

00:46:31: Can people what do people see in it?

00:46:34: What is missing so that people can't see it like all of these questions and I'm, So happy that you know.

00:46:40: this created obviously a lot of resentment negative emotions because you show up with your product

00:46:46: That

00:46:47: you're proud of that, you know invested a lot Of work-in but then it's too different to be seen.

00:46:53: And i feel Like that's A change In our community in the waving Community.

00:47:00: I'm so happy that you know, the new generation doesn't have to go through this because honestly We're super protective about this energy and whenever.

00:47:07: I feel like someone being You know not it educational but abusive with The topic.

00:47:13: That's when I Actually feel like now people are actually stepping in Being like hey let's be patient right?

00:47:20: Because we have so many first-generation waivers Now like people who wave as their first dance style.

00:47:27: That's something that has rarely ever happened anywhere else in the world and now we're also trying to navigate that, And were super happy with how fast people are growing Also because of the input you bring into a table right?

00:47:39: So How do feel about your growth In this scene coming up?

00:47:43: I started with popping for three years.

00:47:47: Popping was my first style.

00:47:49: i have struggled with it immensely not having that big of a popping scene Around me.

00:47:57: it was only you volt and then after three years.

00:47:59: You came back from LA the first time that she went.

00:48:02: And then you just started teaching waving, and in the community just exploded.

00:48:07: after UNE started tied together and The events everything has been super supportive.

00:48:14: when me personally I have never felt not welcomed In these spaces and i-i Just think That It's a Breaking the cycle type of Yes, and it just exponentially pushes you more forward.

00:48:31: The support does?

00:48:32: Exactly

00:48:33: yeah Yeah I mean people respond to different things.

00:48:37: right As far as You can say Support is almost mandatory But some people function off resistance too Like a lot of these communities where this dance came from that they were underserved, you know they were down and out.

00:49:01: This is all that they had.

00:49:03: And this was their gateway to joy in spending time with friends.

00:49:10: but the battle world from the very beginning.

00:49:13: battles are different than competitions right?

00:49:17: There was no judges when it started so that changed.

00:49:22: That's not traditional cultural.

00:49:25: now You're having competitions and so battles were judged by the people around.

00:49:33: The eye of a beholder, right?

00:49:35: And it was very subjective at that time.

00:49:41: but when you talk about that...the growth in dance came through resistance.

00:49:48: It wasn't supportive at all.

00:49:51: It was like adapt or die get better or you're out, getting ended.

00:49:57: So that elevated the dance crazy.

00:50:03: I mean these guys like think about yourself in high school and how much your reputation mattered.

00:50:09: it was life for death Like they were stepping outside their house every day.

00:50:14: somebody could battle them on their porch.

00:50:17: The OGs always be saying that It's like... The battles are all time everywhere and they were coming for you, so it was just this heightened like wartime basically with movement.

00:50:30: But then at the same time cultural evolution is necessary.

00:50:36: we're not them.

00:50:38: And its important to realize that When we are talking about immigration We aren't just talk about immigration in heritage but immigration into a time In place where all of us weren't there, majority.

00:50:55: Ninety-nine percent of people weren't their when it was happening.

00:50:58: so we're all immigrants to that time.

00:51:02: and do we become indoctrinated in preserve the tradition?

00:51:07: That's good for kids at high school.

00:51:10: I'm thirty seven.

00:51:11: i can't do this anymore

00:51:15: because you also grow with culture.

00:51:17: right like my ideologies changed just because I got older, you know?

00:51:25: i mean lots of people who know me from back in the day know that wasn't.

00:51:29: it's

00:51:30: about being social at all.

00:51:32: so yeah things change.

00:51:33: People grow up and do the dynamics

00:51:37: You have to change man.

00:51:38: But then also a lot of stuff you said is important Because we're talking about being inclusive for example right And making things Accessible.

00:51:51: Accessible, right?

00:51:52: But then again I feel like so many lectures that people are so afraid of Are actually so educational Like i know this is also going to rub some people the wrong way because... ...I've made a statement couple times already and People always be like, ah I don't know if thats.. If-if I agree with this but You know cypher dynamics for example For example Right!

00:52:13: People will always like Oh my god you have watch until the end Until that person has finished.

00:52:19: When I came up Was dancing and I entered the siphon people left immediately, and it was a. It was a feedback That hurts but then at the same time.

00:52:29: It's like this makes you realize that This is real shit.

00:52:33: if people don't fuck with it They they just leave You know?

00:52:36: You have to you know And this made me actually Really perceptive about what cipher am i gonna even enter?

00:52:44: you know What's the topic in the cypher by the way and today we're like so inclusive With these things because we don't want to push people away That were suddenly now skipping.

00:52:56: These important cultural aspects I feel like you know, because people are nowadays often offended Like yo why didn't you watch my my round until the end or?

00:53:07: You know Why did you?

00:53:08: oh why could?

00:53:09: why cannot dance for like three minutes in a cypher?

00:53:13: It's Because actually things don't work that way, you know i've seen lots of situations where people that are new to the scene are lacking complete contextualization, sometimes it's good just have people around educate you in a healthy way.

00:53:32: I'm talking about middle ground right?

00:53:34: I am not saying talk shit about people who may be often a cipher because often its lack education those peoples still learning and i think we should open keep educating these people because it's just what is, right?

00:53:51: You have to be open for stuff like this if you wanna grow a community.

00:53:54: But at the same time I feel that alot of lectures...lections These experiences really formed me as dancer and helped get my shit straight.

00:54:08: Surpassing fear in those instances is also what makes you a better dancer, right?

00:54:14: Or a better person.

00:54:15: A more well-versed individual because we cannot always keep all these difficult aspects away just because it's easier for

00:54:22: us.

00:54:22: Yeah yeah and I think tradition too like one thing i encourage people to do in the sense when you're fighting your resistant there's always this part of Validation and when we go against it.

00:54:42: When somebody either talks shit or says that's not valid We go I'm gonna prove them.

00:54:48: wrong

00:54:49: is Is don't throw the baby out with the bathwater?

00:54:52: It's like try to understand them too, you know And keep keeping in the conversation.

00:54:59: obviously there's toxic people and like maybe he's just not meant to be but There's so much value has been created by tradition, that there's so much just movement quality ideas concepts and stuff.

00:55:22: That are completely separate from the person themselves right?

00:55:28: I mean i make this metaphor some metaphor that my professor told me one time which was he was a pastor but And a very open-minded individual.

00:55:41: but he said like Christianity is an amazing Like doctrine, obviously it's been used in terrible ways and great ways.

00:55:56: But you said Christianity.

00:55:57: He's a great idea if it wasn't for Christians

00:56:00: Wow!

00:56:02: So not to say that all Christians are bad by any means but the idea of That uh

00:56:09: or any religion by the way.

00:56:10: Yeah,

00:56:10: yeah for sure right like that Like.

00:56:16: in a sense this is A religion like we're talking about like street dance there different sex of The Religion

00:56:24: I mean There's Different Beliefs Right

00:56:25: For Sure and There'S Different Ways to Interpreting Things And All That Sort Of Stuff.

00:56:30: But What He Meant By That Is?

00:56:34: That Humans Are Flawed We are we're all flawed and that That's okay.

00:56:42: It's ok, you know at the end of the day?

00:56:45: We can sit down at the table And still break bread You know.

00:56:50: and to honor The people that made this possible Mm-hmm and that To me is just a an act of gratitude mm-hmm, I think that that gratitude is should exist in a lot of these communities because yeah, it's just paying homage to our ancestors.

00:57:12: I was about to say that first off all religion doesn't create the people but people create their religion right?

00:57:21: And then also you have so many different viewing points or options perspectives on the whole thing.

00:57:28: this is why we talk too much and get an overview that are actually there and exist, you have to go out there.

00:57:38: And really be careful not only take one people's perspective like maybe your listening for this podcast right now but then again I mean super happy if you like tied-together podcast opinions, right?

00:57:53: But then maybe we invited somebody else.

00:57:56: this would have been a completely different conversation and that also Would've been fine.

00:58:00: So If you're listening to this make sure To not only listen to this listen to other stuff.

00:58:04: there's tons of lack Of books out There that you could read videos reels You know all of these.

00:58:11: just try to get as much input As possible And then tried to figure Out your own you know, your own mindset and worldview basically.

00:58:21: So to wrap this up I just wanted to ask at the end of this podcast what were like the most useful mindsets for your dance let's say in a past half year that really helped out or maybe changed your game?

00:58:43: I mean i probably would stick with one which is aesthetics versus feeling.

00:58:52: So there's a balance between pursuing excellence and progress.

00:59:05: You know, dance doesn't always have to be happy either.

00:59:09: It's just something you walk through life with.

00:59:11: that's how it's been for me.

00:59:13: so I show up regardless if i'm sad or mad however And then becomes part of who are.

00:59:20: your dance will reflect that maturity.

00:59:24: And I think, yeah with just the mentality and approaches... Oh man!

00:59:34: Yeah i think we talked a lot about it but learning is a big aspect of it.

00:59:39: Just never to me.

00:59:43: having battled depression in my life I would say curiosity is the antidote And so dance was just the place that I found.

00:59:55: That curiosity and it kept going, if you feel like your know something You're probably not as open to learn something because knowledge seems a solid point.

01:00:10: It's like...you got it!

01:00:13: You obtained it but knowledge is fluctuating.

01:00:18: it's that ability to continue and...to question, critically analyze like you said.

01:00:24: To generate your own perspective.

01:00:26: but you need to seek.

01:00:28: You have to seek all these people from before And then so you can get a general feel for what is going on.

01:00:37: To be part of this thing..you have to understand the dynamics Of which are walking into.

01:00:45: Thank-you For That!

01:00:45: Thanks for sharing.

01:00:47: What about you W?

01:00:50: It depends on the setting.

01:00:52: Like, the mindsets and mantras that you have for yourself when your... For example cyphering or when you're labbing Or when you are performing.

01:01:01: They differ from each other.

01:01:02: You can play with each mantra That has another influence but in a same setting.

01:01:10: If you want to express myself while doing comfortable movement makes a difference of how you move and just exploring with it in those different settings.

01:01:23: And also what comes out, right?

01:01:24: Oh yeah for sure!

01:01:25: Yeah all right that was a lot of really dope input.

01:01:30: super happy.

01:01:31: the two have been here today so these people who tuned-in before Davia was actually here.

01:01:39: but I think she's gonna join us more often.

01:01:47: Diesel, thank you so much for doing this with us.

01:01:50: It was amazing to have you.

01:01:51: Thank you for the amazing weekend The amazing workshops we also had.

01:01:56: So if your listening Yeah and want knowledge like check diesel

01:02:00: out

01:02:03: Just go for it.

01:02:04: We try it, but yeah Much love bro!

01:02:07: Thankyou so much For having me.

01:02:09: Thank You Bro Alright.

01:02:10: then To everybody who listened up until this point.

01:02:14: Thank you so much for tuning in and see or hear at the next episode of Tide Together!